How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

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Raamaanand Jee, First House:

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Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

I am like a fish out of water,

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ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

Why does my vagina and around my butthole itch? I don't have weird discharge and I'm still a virgin.

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

How do you make a karaoke version of a song?

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

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ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

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Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

What are your political and economic beliefs? How did you form them, especially in comparison to those who hold opposing views?

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Why do you think Islam oppresses women when Christianity clearly does it more?

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Who believes that Speaker Mike Johnson will certify ‘a free and fair and legal election'? Who believes that Speaker Mike Johnson will NOT certify ‘a free and fair and legal election'? Why?

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

Why do men date women they are not really interested in?

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

CONCLUSION:

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Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

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He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Kabir (a weaver)

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

NOW…

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

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ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

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All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Now here in this verse

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Sain (a barber)

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.